User talk:Evnyofdeath

Welcome
Hi, welcome to D.GrayMan Encyclopedia! Thanks for your edit to the Bak Chan page.

Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! -- Hlp922 (Talk) 19:25, May 6, 2010

My addition to the Generals page.
I like to do most of my contributions offline, so I was the one who added Allen Walker to the "Generals" page.

That's true, he isn't a "valid" general. But it can be argued that a Wiki isn't made to filter information simply because Hoshino Katsura decided to drop it.

(If I were viewing that page, I'd be interested to know minor details like that.)

Allen's ability to become a general is easily a valid topic that should be displayed on the Generals page.

QwertyQmin 05:19, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

P.S. What did you mean in saying "Allen is one to get "pissed off" at somethign like this"?

Were you agreeing with me?


 * I agree that Allen has the ability to become a General, but it is wiki policy (as in, it applies to all wikis) that unless its fanon, only calid and confirmed info can be posted. Seeing as Allen isn't a confirmed General, he shouldn't be on the page. In addition, wikis need to be written fron an unbiased and level headed perspective. Evnyofdeath 05:24, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

RE:
Heh, alright. The fact that Allen becoming a General opens so clearly in chapter 116, then dies,really bugs me.Just as well, "fanon", really. Thank you for making me sound like an idiot. I wouldn't post crap like that on ANY wiki if I didn't believe it had some credibility.I'm yelling now, I NEVER SAID ALLEN WAS A GENERAL "C-A-P-A-B-L-E of becoming a general!" GO READ THE CHAPTER AGAIN! NOW!.......The Grand Generals speak, clearly stating that "the one who has reached critical point (Allen) is to become the next General."No, he isn't a General yet, but that is a standing issue that has been debated on forum after forum.The least I can do is state what happened, and give an unbiased, level-headed summary of the facts. AS EVERYONE ELSE ONE THIS WIKI JUST HAPPENS TO BE DOING!

QwertyQmin 05:49, October 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * You completely missed my point. What I was saying is unless Katsura actually says herself, or has a character in the manga make Allen a general, he shouldn't be listed on the page. At the most it could be mentioned in the Trivia that he has reached the Criticle Point however. Also, you were acting immature, going to who I am assuming is an admin after I had given evidence as to why Allen shouldn't be listed. Finally, don't use so many spaces. Evnyofdeath 05:59, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

" Also, you were acting immature, going to who I am assuming is an admin after I had given evidence as to why Allen shouldn't be listed."

---Sorry that it seemed like that. I didn't ask that so I could say "W...WELL, WOLFWOOD SAID SO!", I was actually curious what he had to say on the matter.

I use spaces to organize my thoughts clearer, so it's easier to read. :)

ugh...Ok. Is the page to be known as "Generals" or "List Of Generals." If it is purely a members list, I'll happily back out. I had the impression it was a "General information page about General Class Exorcists."

Am I wrong?

QwertyQmin 06:14, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

P.S. PLEASE don't think I'm disrespecting you. I understood and accepted the evidence you gave me, but it just didn't solve my problem.
 * From what I understand, articles like that are only supposed to have a list of actual members, and not everyone who fits the qualifications. Look at the Bleach wiki, Ichigo is stronger than several Captains, and at the peak of his power before his two super transformations he is stronger than the 4th Espada pre-transformation, yet he isn't classified as a Captain. Evnyofdeath 06:17, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

Talk Bubbles
This wiki needs to have coding for talk bubbles added, I just tried to make one but for whatever reason It didn't come out right. Evnyofdeath 06:03, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

Response....Hopefully the next will be on my talk page???
"This wiki needs to have coding for talk bubbles added, I just tried to make one but for whatever reason It didn't come out right. Evnyofdeath 06:03, October 24, 2010 (UTC)"

(giggles wildly)

I'm so sorry. I'm trying to set a world record here. I just had to use your Talk page, 'cause mine's too valuable.

(juuuuuuuuuust kidding). Anyhow, Let's start again on my talk page. You can delete my posts if you'd like.


 * Sign your posts. Secondly, removing messages from a talk page, even your own, is considered vandalizm. Thirdly, as is the custom on many other wikis, I've gotten into the habit of replying on my own talkpage. Lastly, "'cause mine's too valuable." what does that even mean? Evnyofdeath 06:25, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

RE:
Nevermind then. Just trying to be helpful (holy hell, HELPING, yeah right).

Anyhow. I didn't know that was vandalism. thanks for that.

"'cause mine's too valuable." what does that even mean?" ---So much for bad jokes. That didn't mean anything.

"Thirdly, as is the custom on many other wikis, I've gotten into the habit of replying on my own talkpage."

Did it really seem like I was being THAT rude. I hope that wasn't sarcasm. My family would break me in two if I ever did that to them, hence, I haven't used sarcasm in just over 2 years now.

Alright. I'll back out. Pardon me for arguing.

QwertyQmin 06:37, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

I know, the moment you said that, I scrolled up and punched myself.


 * I wasn't calling you rude, but its just easier to follow the conversation when its on one talkpage. Evnyofdeath 06:39, October 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * --- Very well then.....(eyes suspiciously). I wasn't trying to confuse you. It's easier for ME if I don't have to feel guilty for clogging your talk page. QwertyQmin 06:44, October 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * --- Very well then.....(eyes suspiciously). I wasn't trying to confuse you. It's easier for ME if I don't have to feel guilty for clogging your talk page. QwertyQmin 06:44, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

oh dear

 * Nope, he isn't a Sub Soul Reaper anymore (I prefer the dubs, so I use their terminology) he is a normal human, he lost all of his powers (both Soul Reaper and Hollow) by using Zangetsu's ultimate attack. Evnyofdeath 06:29, October 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * O.O..........oh.......That is a worse ending than I could have ever imagined. So the publication is over?
 * Are you a fan of Bleach?
 * QwertyQmin 06:40, October 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Who said its over? Ichigo's situation is left ambiguous for the moment. After all, Isshin lost his Soul Reaper powers the same way Ichigo did, and he was able to gain them back. And yes, I am a fan of Bleach. Evnyofdeath 06:43, October 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * ---haHAAAAAAAAAAAA! YYYYYYYYYES!
 * Yes, I do geek out sometimes. And YES, YOU are the one filling me in on what's been happening the past year. I hope you don't mind. QwertyQmin 06:48, October 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * I myself aren't that into the manga, but I do know the basics of what happens in it. You know of Ichigo's Second Hollow transformation, right? Evnyofdeath 06:51, October 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * --- I got lost in all those sub-plots that occured before the battle against Aizen began.
 * Yes, I do geek out sometimes. And YES, YOU are the one filling me in on what's been happening the past year. I hope you don't mind. QwertyQmin 06:48, October 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * I myself aren't that into the manga, but I do know the basics of what happens in it. You know of Ichigo's Second Hollow transformation, right? Evnyofdeath 06:51, October 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * --- I got lost in all those sub-plots that occured before the battle against Aizen began.


 * (I was watching the Anime)


 * Please don't try to explain it to me, I'd rather read through it myself. Thank you anyway!


 * (If that WAS what you were offering) I'll be online again tomorrow, if you'd like to continue?


 * QwertyQmin 07:00, October 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright, we'll continue tomorrow, though what I was refering too was when Ichigo died fighting Ulquiorra and hsi Inner Hollow revived him in a new Hollow Form. Evnyofdeath 07:01, October 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * hi guys, not to be funny but can you continue this discussion over on the Bleach wiki :)
 * p.s. Kubo mentioned that a short arc would commence now that the Arrancar story has finished which will likely be another TBtP gaiden, hopefully on Isshin, although there was some mention on an interview of him looking into Yachiru (the one Zaraki respected not the Lt) so maybe that will be brought up too, should be exciting ^.^Wolfwood (Shoot)  11:35, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

Question ?.?
What site can I read zone because it might be interesting like D.Gray-Man and you said that in Zone only Komui and Lenalee are the only black order and this means that Krory, Miranda, & that others in th Zone? BleedingInnocent_AK3*Kuro-chan 10:17, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

Zone Chapter Summary
Hi Envy,

I´d like to create the Zone page as a special chapter summary and have it appear on the list of volumes as a prelude, in order to do that however i need to read it!!! ^.^

do you have a link on the net where i could read this? 83.175.248.130 15:41, November 5, 2010 (UTC), sorry didn´t realise i wasn´t signed in!! its wolfwood here!!Wolfwood (Shoot)  15:42, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

don´t worry found it.Wolfwood (Shoot)  16:22, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

Plagiarism on the Robin/Julia page
Hi Evny of Death.

Some days ago I noticed that someone had plagiarised the information in the profile of my Robin Livejournal roleplaying journal (http://stitched_akuma.livejournal.com/profile, also inside the journal at this entry: http://stitched-akuma.livejournal.com/908.html) and posted it without my permission. It was copied and pasted to this Wikia by user Pjs454 of this Wiki. You can see the edit itself here: http://dgrayman.wikia.com/index.php?title=Robin/Julia&diff=next&oldid=14678

It was plainly Pjs454 who posted that. There have been some very minor changes since that point, but the material she copied and pasted is unmistakably mine, from the profile of my journal.

I was angry when I found the material copied, and I was able to work out who Pjs454 is - regrettably, she is someone I know. I contacted her and she admitted to the copying and offered to take the information down. And she did - although she did so anonymously. But when I checked the Wiki today, I saw that you and she have been arguing over the deletion of the material.

In fact, I've noticed that YOU are claiming to be the one who wrote that material, and that YOU are claiming that I copied you. This is just not on. I posted that material in my profile in December 2008, and if you check through the edits which have taken place on this Wikia in regard to the copypasted material, you will see that they were made because the context in which I was writing was for a particular type of roleplay, in a Dressing Room roleplay where there are multiple versions of each character. Note the usage of the words "There's a round symbol (a seal) on her forehead in the same place where an Allen would have a star" in my profile and in the material initially copied to this Wiki by Pjs454. This only makes sense in the context of a roleplaying game in which there are multiple Allens.

I'm pretty angry with you for claiming not only that you wrote the material but that I am plagiarising you. You hardly wrote anything in the Robin/Julia entry, and there is cold hard proof there in the history of the page, where anyone can see it. The material was without a doubt copied and pasted by Pjs454 (who I'm also pretty angry with, as you would imagine).

The terms of service of Wikia are that you may only post content you wrote yourself or have permission to post. If you do not stop re-posting that material, I will contact the administrator of this Wiki and have them take action against you. If they will do nothing, I will contact Wikia and have them take action. Since it seems that I must do this myself, I'm now going to take down the material from the Wikia entry personally, and if you dare re-post it, you will be in trouble, as you would be both plagiarising me and violating copyright. Sakanagi 17:39, December 19, 2010 (UTC)

In reply to your message to me about the plagiarism discussion
She's not my friend (and certainly wouldn't be after she plagiarised my journal!). But yes, I can certainly provide the link you want. You could have found this yourself, had you checked the Wiki, but looking through the history can be confusing. It took me some time to get used to it. When I initially found out about the plagiarism, I even made a mistake and thought that you were the one who had plagiarised the content, but after checking through carefully - because I really didn't want to find that this was done by someone I know, but unfortunately it was - I was able to see exactly who posted what. It's all there in the history of the page. I'll show you through it.

The page was initially created by you, at this link: http://dgrayman.wikia.com/index.php?title=Robin/Julia&diff=prev&oldid=14677

Then, the next edit was you, adding some basic profile table information. You can see this by clicking the "newer edit" button on the page I have linked you to above.: http://dgrayman.wikia.com/index.php?title=Robin/Julia&diff=next&oldid=14677

The next edit was also you, adding a one-line description of Robin: http://dgrayman.wikia.com/index.php?title=Robin/Julia&diff=next&oldid=14678

So far, no problem. However, the next edit was by Pjs454, at 07:23. November 4, 2010. It was here: http://dgrayman.wikia.com/index.php?title=Robin/Julia&diff=next&oldid=14678

You can see the material Pjs454 added in the right hand column of the page. That edit by Pjs454 copied and pasted information directly from my roleplay journal, without any editing of it. That material, as I mentioned before, can be seen at http://stitched_akuma.livejournal.com/profile. On the Wiki page, it encompasses the personality section of the wiki page and all of the content following it. The material above that was written by you, and I have not deleted it and neither has Pjs454.

I suspect that the reason Pjs454 stopped arguing with you about the content of the page was because in order to prove you wrong about your claim to have written the content, she would have had to point out that the records show that she is the one who posted it, which leaves her open to being reported to admins here and, failing them, Wikia, and getting her account suspended, or legal action taken against her for violation of copyright.

There have been some minor edits to my content - an admin changed it to the third person, and you changed my spelling to U.S. spelling and also added some lines.

The lines you added to my content were ''"As Robin's seal weakens the sitches streach and it is possible to see what appears to be the "skin" of a Level 0 Akuma through the gap, and as the seal weakens further a small horn grows from this Skin." and "In addition Robin was shown to use the legendary anit-akuma weapon Abaddon when her arm strained her body and seal to the limit. Oddly, doing so restored her seal to full power."''

You only added those lines I have mentioned in the paragraph above. Therefore, I will delete all of my content from the Wiki page, but leave those lines you wrote, although they will not make much sense without accompanying my content.

As you see, I have proven that you did not post the content I am complaining about being present on the Wiki. Therefore, I must ask you to stop re-posting my content. For you to do so will only make you yourself a plagiarist and a copyright infringer as well as Psj454. I understand that you were attached to the content of the page, but it was not yours, and if you are angry about the time you have spent on the page, then you should take this up with Psj454, but cease posting my material. I'm now going to go and delete all but your content from the page. Do not post my content again. Sakanagi 07:18, December 20, 2010 (UTC)

In addition: I see that I misunderstood you. According to the edit page, you are demanding that I show you records of my journal...even though I have proven to you that you did not write that content, and told you that the person who did post it has admitted to copying it from my journal. You are not in any position to make any such demand.

And you are not in any position to demand that I re-write the content for you, when I have no intention of any of my work being present on this wiki and am only here to deal with the removal of the material copied from me.. If you wish to re-write the page, you should do so yourself, as you mentioned in your edit reason. I hope that you will have the originality to do so without relying on my material. Sakanagi 07:49, December 20, 2010 (UTC)

RE: Thanks for rewriting
I don't think Sakanagi ever intended on being a part of this wiki; he/she was simply posting here after being informed by a regular from here that his/her work was being used without his/her permission. Because of this, he/she probably didn't feel any obligation to clean up after what others had done on this site; he/she just wanted information they felt responsible for/attached to removed after it had been stolen.

Personally, I can see where Sakanagi was coming from; though, really, this whole ordeal has been dragged out a little too long...

Hopefully, with the new content on the Robin/Julia page, it will all be over now. ^.^ I did my best with the page, though analyzing personalities isn't something I can keep short and simple so I left it blank. I may or may not come back to it tomorrow after work, but if you'd like to do anything to it in the meantime... ;P .Seshat. 08:37, December 20, 2010 (UTC)

No further need for concern
Since another user has kindly stepped in and re-written the entry, the discussion about people posting my content without permission on the Robin/Julia page is no longer necessary. My only interest there was in removing the copyright infringing content from this wiki. So I'm not even angry with you for your re-posting of the material any more, and will not be reporting you to the admins here or to the Wikia staff.

But since you replied to me just before the other user changed the wiki page content, I will address one point, since you seem to be very confused about why someone whose content was ripped off would not want to write a replacement for the Wiki which ripped off the content. I'll explain this to you by way of a simple analogy with theft. Now, don't be mistaken here: copyright infringement is by no means criminal theft - it's an entirely different thing, and when some people say that copyright infringement is theft, they're actually dead wrong. I'm simply using theft here as an analogy to show my point.

Let's say that I own a toy ball. And let's say that another person comes up to me and steals my ball, and gives it to a group of their friends. When I go to the group to get my ball back, I ought to have my ball returned to me. If the group says to me "No, we won't give you back your ball - until you get us another ball to replace it!" then the group is being unreasonable (and also breaking the law, just as the person who stole the ball was). Even though the group is disappointed to find out the ball they thought they had been given was in fact stolen, their recourse should not be to get angry with the true owner and withhold the ball from them. All they can do is give the stolen ball back. If they want a replacement, they have to be the one to get a replacement for themselves to play with.

Anyhow, whether or not you understand the meaning of the analogy here is up to you. The matter we started discussing today is closed now.Sakanagi 09:04, December 20, 2010 (UTC)

I see, so you thought it was Wiki vandalism. That makes more sense. When I contacted you today I had hoped I had been able to explain the situation to you fully, but it seems not. Oh well. Anyway, I should tell you that I was not the anonymous person who edited the wiki page. That was the plagiarist, who had told me she would remove the plagiarised content from the Wiki. But, she was too chicken to delete the content while signed in, and she gave up after two token efforts, probably hoping that I wouldn't check the Wiki again. Which I did today, and so I registered an account.

In regard to content posted to Wikis being public material the instant they're posted - you're wrong on that. You see, when people agree to the terms of use of Wikia, they have to agree that "You may not submit content to the Service that you did not create or that you not have permission to submit." Even now as I'm writing this message, I can see a message at the bottom of the page saying "Do not submit copyrighted images or text without permission".

When the plagiarist posted my copyright material without permission, she breached the terms of service. As a result, the things you may have read on the Wiki about how you can change and use anything once they're here do not apply, as the plagiarist cannot surrender, or alter my copyright over the work without my permission, and she has no authority to release my work under a GNU Free Documentation License. This means that my full rights over my work remain and are exactly the same as before they were posted to this Wiki. So, when you were re-posting the material, you were also violating my copyright, and it seems you did so without knowing it.

That's why I was saying that I could report you for re-posting it after you knew it was copypasted without permission - because you really would have been legally in the wrong. And that's why, if I had contacted Wikia, they would, if they had any sense, have taken some action against any person who had put my material on the site without permission, in order to protect themself legally.

Anyhow, I'm just telling you that since you don't know. It's irrelevant now, since the content I came here to remove was taken down and I've got no further interest in the matter.Sakanagi 09:56, December 20, 2010 (UTC)

looking out for the wiki
Hi Envy,

I totally get where you were coming from with Sakanagi removing the Robin Material but please mind your language in future, vandals generally wont create a user profile and inform you of their actions beforehand. Donñt get me wrong i totally see where you were coming from but be mindful that we are a small community and that we should be civil even when we have disagreements.... showing my age a little aren´t I ^.^Wolfwood (Shoot)  17:23, December 21, 2010 (UTC)